Talk:Victor Emmanuel II of Italy

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Crimean War[edit]

Joined Britain and France in the Crimean war? How about the Ottoman Empire? It is one thing to have a Eurocentric point of view in history narrative but ignoring a participant of a war altogether is perhaps something even worse... Why did these Europeans fight a war in a far off land at the very first place? 150.216.151.34 03:26, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


Austria was totally against Italy´s unification because, the Austrian Empire was going to lose territory in the process of Italy´s unification, that was one of the difficulties, also some people who weren´t visionaries, didn´t like much the idea of Italy´s unification, e.g. imagine there would be a unified states of Latin America, loads of people would be totally against it ,(like me)so we now we see the unification of Italy quite good, but remember in those times, they were just as on the example, they were like a latin american person who just heard about an idea, which changed the whole states future and made Itlay itself! frances munar a

Styles of Victor Emmanuel II box[edit]

This seems to me to be absurdly and I am going to remove it. It tells us that

his reference style is His Majesty
the spoken style is Your Majesty
and the alternative style is Sire

But he wasn’t English. He spoke French, Piedmontese and some Italian. The only point of this box that occurs to me is that if I were to meet him during a seance I could say some things that wouldn’t embarass that side of myself which has an excessive need for propriety. —Ian Spackman 17:08, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Excommunication[edit]

Can anyone show that his excommunication actually was overturned? I am not sure that it was. His actions that got him excommunicatied were very grave indeed.--Billiot 16:26, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

The lifting of the excommunication, at the last minute, is discussed in G. S. Godkin's Life of Victor Emmanuel II, Macmillan, (1880). I understand that this book is still in print in Great Britain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Italus (talkcontribs) 03:39, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Pretty sure hes in hell right now anyway. If anybody has a way to contact Gengis Kahn or Josef Stalin to vertify, that would be great. - Gennarous (talk) 19:48, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
This made me lol. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.76.60.163 (talk) 18:22, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Birth[edit]

I checked the infoboxes for Washington, Stalin & Gorbechev, & they show places of birth as countries that existed at the time, not those that exist now or at their death. I know wikipedia is shot through with militant parochialism & anachronism in this area, but why not correct these things where it's possible. Grahamchwiki 12:19, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Vittorio Emanuele[edit]

I don't understand why Vittorio Emanuele, an Italian king, has his name anglicized. King Juan Carlos II of Spain is not John Charles, his name is Juan Carlos. Vittorio Emanuele should have his actual name, not an Anglicized version of this. I've changed his name in the beginning the article, but I can't change the title of article itself. Would an editor please put his Italian name, his real name as the title of the article? After all, George W. Bush doesn't have Giorgio or Jorge (the Italian and Spanish forms respectively of his name) on his page. Why should an Italian king have an English form of his name and not his actual Italian name? Alex2706 (talk) 23:48, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree with this actually! I don't get it either. Also why is he II?! Monsieur le Duc LouisPhilippeCharles (talk) 19:23, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
I don't like the excessive anglicizing of all these names just because they are more common. Vittorio Emanuele would be more accurate. And LouisPhilippeCharles he is the II because there was Victor Emmanuel I of Sardinia; the House of Savoy has it own regnal system and it does not change because they acquired new kingdoms. It didn't change with Victor Amadeus II of Sardinia when he became King of Sardinia nor when Victor Emmanuel II of Italy became Kings of Italy.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 00:28, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

The answer to your questions is obvious. It’s all very well to argue by analogies, but you have to get your analogies right. It’s true George W. Bush is not called Giorgio Bush in the Italian Wikipedia, but the Italian Wikipedia (and respectable Italian history books generally) are filled with characters like Maria Stuarda, Tommaso Moro, Filippo di Spagna, Cartesio, etc. And rightly so – that’s Italian usage. As for the Spanish, I’m sure they won’t object. It’s true they don’t write Jorge Bush, but they do write Nicolás Copérnico and Martín Lutero and Isabel I de Inglaterra, just as the Italians call the same people Niccolò Copernico, Martino Lutero and Elisabetta I. And why shouldn’t they? It’s their language after all. Likewise with Victor Emmanuel and other historic characters. And I don’t want to labor the point, but I notice that the Spanish Wikipedia actually calls him "Víctor Manuel II"! 11:53, 8 November 2010 Campolongo (talk) 11:54, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

So we should probably settle on a consistent spelling. "Victor Emanuel" is used several times within the text and photo captions, but since the title of this article has 2 'm's, I think that should be the standard. JamesZhou13 (talk) 22:48, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

For the people above: please read WP:COMMONNAME. Alex2006 (talk) 03:41, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Second of Italy?[edit]

It seems feasible and probably the title of the article, since he was the first king of Italy. Anyone can cite any document citing the entitled name Victor Emmanuel II of Italy? It would in any case better suited names Victor Emmanuel I of Italy, Victor Emmanuel II of Savoy or simply o Victor Emmanuel II? --Bestiasonica (talk) 13:59, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

If you look at the authority control at the bottom of the page, any of the sources listed, or do simple web or library searches, "Victor Emmanuel II" is easily verified as the common name. DrKay (talk) 21:02, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

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