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Semi-protected edit request on 27 February 2019[edit]

Fidel Castro is also a playable character in Call of Duty: Black Ops 108.29.222.106 (talk) 23:13, 27 February 2019 (UTC) 108.29.222.106 (talk) 23:12, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. –Ammarpad (talk) 06:38, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

NPOV Biased[edit]

"Under Castro's leadership, Cuba became one of the best-educated and healthiest societies in the Third World as well as one of the most militarised states in Latin America.[426] Despite its small size and limited economic weight, Castro's Cuba gained a large role in world affairs.[430]" biased and contentious opinion from the book? THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 08:26, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

What specific part of this text do you find objectionable? Midnightblueowl (talk) 10:16, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
"one of the best-educated and healthiest societies in the Third World as well as one of the most militarised states in Latin America" claimed by whom? "gained a large role in world affairs" how and claimed by who, Midnightblueowl THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 10:21, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Well, the author of the book in question, but also I image that there are statistics and objective facts to support these claims. Were Cuba's rates of formal education and literacy higher than those of other developing/Third World states during that period? Did it have a larger military per head of the population than most other Latin American states? If information can be brought forth that indicates that these claims are simply false then we should of course discuss removing or adapting the text. But they do not to me look particularly far-fetched not necessarily an NPOV violation. Midnightblueowl (talk) 10:25, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
@Midnightblueowl: I will tagging those statements per WP:INTEXT. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 10:36, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Please see WP:YESPOV, ImmortalWizard. In-text attribution is a good idea for contentious information; in this case, you've provided no evidence that it is contentious, only that you don't like it. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:00, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
I admit that I over analysed POV and attribution, but I want to make it clear that it wasn't because I "don't like it." I absolutely have no comments here influenced by my political views. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 17:26, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@Simonm223: even if it's undisputed, why not elaborately explain why Cuba was like that and provide stats? THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 13:17, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Nevermind, I didn't read the whole thing. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 13:22, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Castro must be described as a dictator[edit]

Fidel Castro has been overwhelmingly described as a dictator, especially by the people of Cuba. Why isn't this included? The issue has been discussed here but there's yet no actual obstacle for not including it •

This issue was extensively discussed in the past - I think that there was even an RfC on it. The current consensus (to state that many people call Castro a "dictator" but not to unambiguously label him as such) was arrived at through that very extensive discussion. No change could be made without a shift in that consensus. Midnightblueowl (talk) 19:36, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Perhaps we could add a Frequently Asked Questions header with this question being on it. The answer would be a link to the RfC. This would avoid further questioning of the term. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:10, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Jeffrey Epstein[edit]

Castro met with Jeffrey Epstein and a photo of the meeting was found in Epstein's home; the Miami Herald theorized that Epstein was looking to use Cuba as a refuge from U.S. law. I tried twice to include this info in Castro's article, but it was removed. I believe that this info is important, even if the two men met only once, as this article is designed to let readers draw their own conclusion about who Castro was using verified information. I am seeking consensus so as not to instigate an edit war.MagicatthemovieS (talk) 14:51, 5 September 2019 (UTC)MagicatthemovieS

This is a WP:DUE issue. How is it relevant these two historical figures met? It's WP:NOTNEWS too. Because just the existence of minimal coverage doesn't make it relevant. Basically, had Epstein subsequently fled to Cuba and taken refuge from law enforcement, it might be relevant to Castro. But he did not. They met once and went their separate ways. And as such there's no significance to the topic of Fidel Castro here. Simonm223 (talk) 14:59, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
Castro must have met with literally hundreds and perhaps even thousands of noted or famous people over the course of his life. I agree with Simon that this instance doesn't seem particularly important. If Castro biographers of the future begin to discuss it, then I would probably change my view, but at present I don't really see it as being warranted in the article. User:Midnightblueowl (talk) 19:33, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
@Simonm223:@Midnightblueowl: Here's a question for both of you: if the fall-out from the Epstein case resulted in an allegation of sexual misconduct on Castro's part becoming public, would that warrant mention in this article? I'm not saying that Castro will be accused of anything, but one of Epstein's alleged American victims said that she was sexually abused by "foreign presidents" and Castro is a foreign president that met Epstein. Again, there is currently no direct allegation against Castro but more court documents regarding the Epstein case may soon become public if a judge decides to make them public, and its plausible that Castro is one of the "foreign presidents" in question. Also, a photograph of Castro with Epstein was discovered in Epstein's home.MagicatthemovieS (talk) 20:04, 5 September 2019 (UTC)MagicatthemovieS
Possibly. I definitely think a much stronger case for including such an allegation could be made than simply for the fact that Castro met Epstein. But it also depends to what extend Reliable Sources give credence and coverage to the allegation. At present, however, such a discussion is purely hypothetical given that no such allegation has yet been made (at least publicly). Midnightblueowl (talk) 20:22, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
Entertaining such speculation falls under WP:NOTFORUM. And I have a photo together with Charlaine Harris but you can bet I am not relevant to her Wikipedia page. If this is all, I think we are done here. Simonm223 (talk) 22:59, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
@Simonm223: I would never put speculation into a Wiki article. I merely wanted wanted an answer.MagicatthemovieS (talk) 01:54, 6 September 2019 (UTC)MagicatthemovieS
Inserting speculation via guilt-by-the-slightest-of-associations is what you seem like you are trying. Right now. By attempting to argue for the insertion of this undue trivia. I'd suggest dropping it. Simonm223 (talk) 12:08, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

President[edit]

Castro was never President of Cuba. The post was abolished in 1976 and reestablished 10. October 2019. Fidel was President of the Council of State. Can someone change the infobox accordingly? --158.36.205.152 (talk) 09:36, 14 October 2019 (UTC)