Talk:Manchukuo

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1934 Population[edit]

In the right hand box the article lists the 1934 Population as 85 Million yet in the demographic section it states the population is around 40M in 1934. I'm wondering what's the cause of such disparity between these numbers. Nieblham (talk) 18:25, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Reworded "Genocide" to "Abuse"[edit]

I have reworded the section "Genocide of Ethnic Minorities". The UN defines genocide as:

"In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

"To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group. It is this special intent, or dolus specialis, that makes the crime of genocide so unique. In addition, case law has associated intent with the existence of a State or organizational plan or policy, even if the definition of genocide in international law does not include that element. "

source: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

While the Japanese treated the people of Manchuria with apalling cruelty, I have seen no evidence that they had a deliberate policy of exterminating people like the Oroqen or Hezhen. The Japanese intention was to use them as subservient people to further the empire's war goals, training Oroqen men into forest rangers and using them to provide products for Japanese consumption. This, to me, does not constitute an "intent to destroy". Although it is an indisputable fact that their treatment of these people lead to a decline in their population, I would put this down to cruelty and neglect, but have seen no evidence that they had an intentional policy of eradicating these ethnic groups. Forced relocations, distribution of opium as a means of control, physical violence as a means of intimidation, and human experiments at the hands of Unit 731 were all things that the other ethnicities of Manchuria also experienced at Japanese hands, and I have seen no evidence that the Japanese deliberately singled out the Oroqen or Hezhen for special cruelty with intent to destroy their population. If anyone has evidence to the contrary, I am happy to be proved wrong.

Komihama (talk) 19:37, 22 November 2019 (UTC)